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3D props vs. "Real" props
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mellie
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Joined: Feb 23, 2003
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 Posted: May 18, 2003 9:48 AM
I'm sorry if this is posted elsewhere, I couldn't find it.
I would just like to bring this up because some rude people keep dissing those who draw or make 3D modelled props. It's not all that easy, nor do I think that physically building props is easy. But for some people, it's just not an option. Some of us don't have the resources or the knowledge to build one without hurting ourselves  ....and some of us are artists, not carpenters. I don't want this to be a big separation thing like the divisions and the franchises.....I just think that if you don't like 3D propping then keep it to yourself, don't go rating people with low numbers just because you think they should make a "real" prop. It takes time and a lot of work to model a 3D prop, you can't just cut out the shapes you want, you can only start with certain shapes then you have to sculpt and modify them to get what you want.....
now, i'm ranting, so I'll stop it here. As far as I know the GBN community isn't for dissing others. Keep the rude and ignorant comments to yourself.
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Lt. Handley
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Joined: May 30, 2002
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Posted: May 18, 2003 1:11 PM
Actually Propping is art too.
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venkman71
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Joined: Oct 28, 2001
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Posted: May 18, 2003 4:23 PM
YAY MELLIE!
I couldn't agree more and I am someone who speaks from both sides of the fence.
I am a builder but I am, by trade, an artist and an animator so I spend all my days DRAWING. Both building and drawing are equally important. Don't all architects and builders go off of blueprints which are in effect,..DRAWINGS?
I am in the process of illustrating tutorials for my website on how to build all the GB props and so far I've amassed 175 drawings and I'm not even HALF way done yet.
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ProtonCharger
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Joined: Jul 30, 2001
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Posted: May 18, 2003 4:28 PM
i dont know. i agree that 3d ghostbuster "props" are art. and physical props are art. but a prop is something you can touch. you cant touch a 3d model. can you? i think the use of "prop" in description of a 3d "model" is the confusing mix up. a "model" can go for that, as well as something touchable. its not a "prop" its a "3d model"
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Ghostbuster_D
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Joined: Nov 19, 2001
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Posted: May 18, 2003 5:05 PM
Those things we look at aren't any more props that the 3-d drawings. They are prop replicas. And I agree that the 3-D drawings are just as good, and shouldn't be dissed.
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mellie
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Joined: Feb 23, 2003
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Posted: May 18, 2003 5:47 PM
I didn't say that built props weren't art... ..it's all art!!!  And I have nothing but respect for the proppers who build physical props, and I think that respect should go both ways.
And for the purpose of display on the GBN props section, 3d or built, it's essentially the same....we only see pics of the built props...so I just don't know why people hafta get their panties in a knot over the 3d ones.
Thanx for the support guys!!
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Ghostbusters
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Joined: Feb 15, 2002
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Posted: May 18, 2003 8:00 PM
I agree that a 3D Design is not really a prop. It's a design or model for a prop to be made from.
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sg1star
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Joined: Jul 14, 2001
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Posted: May 18, 2003 8:12 PM
defenation of a prop is bascily an item that assite the aid of a actor, now eather this prop is 3d or real it does not matter, in h-wood they are both consder props, and sometiems building a 3d prop can be harder then building a real prop, it is defently harder when it comes to lighting and textureing, unless u add texture to ur real propm, but in ghostbusters most props are just reg color, no real texture, so all in all some 3d gb props are harder then real props, and anyone that seen my 3d work can tell u i know what im talking about, or seen my real prop work. but both start out the same way, as a sketch, so i have ltos of repsect for both kind of proppers, 3d or real
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Lt. Handley
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Joined: May 30, 2002
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Posted: May 18, 2003 8:26 PM
But one of the hardest things about propping is finding the right parts and making substitutions and stuff. The first time you make a trap or pack it is really hard. You have no idea where to get what and if you are inexperianced you don't know how to put this doodad on that doodad. But 3D propping you have everything on your computer, you don't have to leave your chair. that being said I still imagine it being hard to make a 3D prop but is it not less rewarding, you don't get to dawn your pack for certain occasions. I really don't know where I'm going with this so at this point it's best to take a deep breath and push the button.
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sg1star
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Joined: Jul 14, 2001
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Posted: May 18, 2003 8:29 PM
u make a good point but u also prove antoehr point, on real props u can go out and buy stuff, when doing it 3d, u cant buy stuff, everythign has to be modelded from scratch and textures added. and not all parts can u jsut throw on a texture and be done with it, gving that u just spent some time amking that spical texture, but sometiems u to map the model first, meaning selecting vertexs or polys which can be a pain in the a**
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Jay_Tigran
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Joined: Jul 16, 2001
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Posted: May 18, 2003 8:53 PM
I hear ya there SG1, I see 3d as a way for us that can't build things with their hands a chance to make our own props. Yah see, I can't for the life of me use tools of anykind. So, I became an artist and now make 3d models of the props cuz I can't make real ones.
Besides, the 3d modeled ones allow me to make animations and cartoons 
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JESUSFREAK
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Joined: Jul 17, 2001
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Posted: May 18, 2003 9:46 PM
IMO; A 3d rendering is not a "prop". That doesn't mean it should be put down tho. It requires a great amout of work and talent to make either and I respect the people who can make 3d art, but as I said its not a prop.
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Joined: Jul 15, 2001
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Posted: May 19, 2003 9:46 AM
CPU or chisel it takes alot of heart to build a prop or design. If its computer designed, its not a prop. if its a physical item that one can actually hold it is a prop. either way its All art.
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mellie
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Joined: Feb 23, 2003
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Posted: May 19, 2003 1:07 PM
I have an idea.....although it would be completely up to Chad whether he does it or not. Maybe ther could be a sub-section in props for the 3D ones, as they are not physical props, but they still count in one way or another. That way everyone would be happy  and we could stop this silly bickering, then if you don't like 3d "props" don't look at 'em and don't rate 'em....there...problem solved, all we need now is Chad
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ProtonCharger
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Joined: Jul 30, 2001
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Posted: May 19, 2003 4:11 PM
which is exactly what i do. they dont appeal to me, so i dont look at them. i get disappointed when it says "so and so's Proton pack custom" and when i see it, its a computer animated thing.
i make custom real props, i want to see other peoples tangible real custom props. if i wanted to see a 3d prop, id look for that.
the whole thing is misleading. thats why there are negative ratings.
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mellie
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Joined: Feb 23, 2003
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Posted: May 19, 2003 4:21 PM
just because it's not real isn't a reason to give a 3D "prop" a bad rating. That's the same as giving something a bad rating because u don't like the person, or if you don't like that particlular piece of equipment.
And that's right..you don't have to look at them if you don't want to....and even if you do look at them, you don't have to rate them. I don't understand why people take those prescious moments out of their day to dis another person for something trivial.
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