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Pilots carrying Guns law???
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kyleogb1983
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Joined: Jun 16, 2002
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 Posted: Aug 13, 2002 10:03 PM
How many people believes that pilots should carry guns to stop Hi-Jackings.
I agree wiht it but they check the pilots backgrounds before they could do so.
*Note*- I'm not posting this to mention or disrespect the 9-11 attack.*
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Slim Slimer
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Joined: Oct 21, 2001
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Posted: Aug 13, 2002 10:40 PM
Definately. It's not just terrorists, but other threats. It's good to know there would be an authority on such a dangerous machine.
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wingsnut25
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Joined: Jul 15, 2001
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Posted: Aug 13, 2002 10:45 PM
Pilots should definitley beable to carry guns if they want too, i think they should be required to take a class that shows they are competent and skilled enough to handle the weapon if they want to carry it, something like a concealed weapons class...
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Wayne W.
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Joined: Jul 11, 2002
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Posted: Aug 15, 2002 11:22 AM
there are good and bad things to this, the good thing is the protection of the passenger, the bad thing is that if a terrorist gained enterance to the coc-pit,then he would have access to guns.
I think aanother good idea for pilots is to be trained in some form of martial arts. That way they wouldn't be totally defensless if a terrorist somehow got his gun.
A girl in my martial arts school was on one of the planes on 9-11, so I do not want to see this happen again, so I vote yes for guns and martial arts for the pilots.
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ProtonCharger
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Joined: Jul 30, 2001
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Posted: Aug 15, 2002 12:44 PM
i dont know about this one. do you know what happens if the wall of a plane is punctured from a missed shot? nothing good will come of that.
now, martial arts or some form of unarmed combat would be a good idea. maybe they could carry a knife or something(itd take alot of stabbing on the wall of an airplane to puncture it)
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Wayne W.
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Joined: Jul 11, 2002
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Posted: Aug 15, 2002 1:05 PM
I know, but a knife is not as effective as believed, if the terrorist also has been trained in self-defense, they will no how to defend against that, I think that other martial arts weapons would be better. Escrimas, kamas', or just really good techniques. They should now have a training school for pilots, in which they teach many variations of styles for different situations:
- Ju-jitsu: for ground techniques
- Judo: for throwing
- Jeet Kune Do: for predicting the attackers move
- and aikido: for using an attackers force against him
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SkullLeader
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Joined: Dec 27, 2001
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Posted: Aug 15, 2002 3:14 PM
Um... you do know if a Gun is fired in a pressurized plane the plane goes boom like a cork right? Just thought that should be mentioned. A Knife is MUCH too easy to be used against the pilots. Say the terrorist takes the Knife? But a nightstick takes TRAINING to use. So even if the terrorist took the stick, it would do him good. And nightsticks, or PR-24s, are classified as defensive weapons as well as offensive. Another good idea would be say a SWAT Shield to protect against a Knife being thrust. The Shield can be right next to the chair the pilots sit on and the nightsticks attach to their belt.
Now if only someone would listen to me.
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StayinPuft
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Joined: Mar 11, 2002
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Posted: Aug 15, 2002 4:14 PM
Skull, its only if the bullet penetrates the fuselage skin, and the guns they are talking about fire ceramic bullets that can't penetrate the skin.... Oh don't you think it makes more sense to just hire more air marshalls.. But I guess those fat cats in Washington wouldn't want to spend that much money right....
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Slim Slimer
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Joined: Oct 21, 2001
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Posted: Aug 15, 2002 5:03 PM
Rubber bullets, riot style!
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Zack
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Joined: Jul 14, 2001
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Posted: Aug 15, 2002 6:04 PM
Lewis Black did a funny bit on the Daily Show awhile back about it 
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Wayne W.
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Joined: Jul 11, 2002
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Posted: Aug 16, 2002 8:40 AM
Skull, a SWAT shield. C'mon, what are the chances they will be able to grab, hold and block before a knife penetrates their skin. The rubber bullets seem good. And tonfa ( nightstick) wouldn't be the best idea, sure the pilots would eb trained in them, but if the terrorist gets a hold of it. He doesn't need training, he just beats the guy with it.
I really would like to see more air marshals, but God knows how much that will cost. And we're all forgeting something, the passenegers. The plane that went down in Penn. had brave passengers that stormed the terrorists. Now, if you remember, a menatlly challenged passeneger tried to get into the coc-pit to make sure, "they weren't gonna hit a building", and the passenegers took him down before he got up there, throwing everything they could. Well, if you are a passenger and are scared about another terroist attck do the following things, get an aisle seat ( so you could access the aisle to take out a terrorsit), if you use a mediacal cane bring it ( that is a medical device, and it is also a martial arts weapon, you should probably take a few classes for it), bring a coat and soda ( a coat could be used as a distarction as you wrap his arm in it, and a soda can ccan also be a good self-defense technique)...for more go to www.blackbeltmag.com and search for the January 2002 issue.
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StayinPuft
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Joined: Mar 11, 2002
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Posted: Aug 16, 2002 12:20 PM
So Wayne you think that spending more money on air marshalls, isn't worth the 3000 lives that were taken on 9-11?
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Slider_85
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Joined: Aug 28, 2001
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Posted: Aug 16, 2002 11:29 PM
I think it is a great idea. This is coming from an AA pilot. However, I do have a problem with how some of the other pilots would react if a situation occured where the pilot would have to use the side arm. I am one of a few, that have millitary training, where this wouldnt be a problem. What would happen if the pilot where to freeze up when he needed to protect himself and the pilot/co pilot.
My idea is: ALL pilots and co pilots have training on how to use the weapon. Have a safe in the cockpit with a 9mm. Only the pilots know the code. If a situation where to occure. Close and lock the cockpit door. The co pilot points the gun at the locked door, while the pilot lands the plane at the closest airport. A marshall is still neeeded to protect the passengers. I personally think this is a succesfull plan.
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Wayne W.
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Joined: Jul 11, 2002
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Posted: Aug 17, 2002 4:09 PM
All watchers take notice, the following post is in self-defense.
Stayin' Puft I can't believe howo ******* mean you are. You're reply to my post was unnesscarty and rude. I would spend all the money I could to get the lives back of the victims of 9-11. I am shocked that you would say that, I think they should put air marshals in the aircrafts, however the government isn't willing to pay a lot of money, therefore I am opening more doors of suggestions for defense against terrorists!!
This isn't the first time you've been rude to me, in many of my posts you have been rude. So cut it out ok.
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StayinPuft
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Joined: Mar 11, 2002
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Posted: Aug 17, 2002 9:57 PM
Wayne, first pilots are not employed by the US government, air marshalls are apart of the FAA, which is a government agency. Pilots are not enforcement officers, they are private citizens, making a living. Air Marshalls are enforcement, and make their living sitting on airplanes all day... Pilots should stick with flying the planes, and air marshalls with protecting them... Secondly Wayne, you said the government wouldn't want to spend the money, and I tried (but failed) to make the connection between how you would feel and how our ELECTED officials would, ie you would spend all the money, and so would they. For some reason however they aren't hiring enough marshalls for each flight.....
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Wayne W.
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Posted: Aug 17, 2002 10:01 PM
Stayin Puft, I'm sorry. You were right.
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